Rather than make you read the Daily Fail, I’m reproducing the latest Pet Shop Boys interview:
‘If I could, I’d be a recluse… I’m trying really hard’: The Pet Shop Boys on being unlikely pop stars, using Oyster cards and why they admire Rihanna
We can’t compete with Rihanna and One Direction, say the Pet Shop Boys. They’re proper pop stars. So how do they explain 50 million record sales and 30 years at the top?
In a dim corner of an east London private members’ club, Pet Shop Boys – Neil Tennant and Chris Lowe – are expounding their philosophy on success.
It’s something they know a lot about. The duo have survived three decades in the music industry, making millions from hits like It’s A Sin and What Have I Done To Deserve This?, and cleverly aligning themselves with the most relevant artists of each generation – from Madonna to Robbie Williams, Suede to Bowie, The Killers to Lady Gaga. Given all this, their take comes as a refreshing surprise.
‘The thing about success,’ says Tennant, ‘is you don’t have to confuse it with fame and celebrity.
‘We’ve never wanted people chasing us down the street – can’t think of anything worse. We’re probably the only pop stars with Oyster cards (London travel cards).’
They are here to talk about Electric, their 12th album, supported by a new tour.
Given the option, Lowe admits, he’d rather be hiding at home watching Grand Designs (he studied architecture) or daytime TV.
‘If I could,’ he says, ‘I’d be a recluse. I do want to be one. I’m trying really hard. But it’s a difficult thing to pull off in this job.’
This, of course, has to be rubbish. He’s hung out with Liza Minnelli, Yoko Ono and Gaga.
At the Olympics closing ceremony, the two performed West End Girls on the back of a rickshaw in giant pointy helmets. ‘
Ahh,’ says Lowe. ‘But you couldn’t see my face, could you? I don’t think of them as costumes. I think of them as disguises. I came back from the Olympics on the Tube. No one even looked at me.’
Pet Shop Boys have sailed through 30-odd years of pop, constantly evolving their sound, brand and artistic portfolio.
They’ve sold over 50 million records, bagged six Grammy nominations, three Brits, three Ivor Novellos (Tennant keeps these in his downstairs loo), and a theatre award for a ballet they scored (The Most Incredible Thing). Tennant made the decision to come out as gay in 1994, whereas Lowe has never bothered.
The group were once highly political. Between 1997 and 2001 Tennant regularly donated thousands to the Labour Party. Things have changed, though. Asked for his opinion on Cameron or Miliband, Tennant shrugs.
‘I used to feel that a political party represented what I felt, but I don’t feel that any more.
‘Politics seems somehow less intelligent than it used to, and in Britain I feel we’re sleepwalking our way into an endless surveillance culture, but if you talk about it you sound like you’re mad. It doesn’t inspire us any more like it used to.’
The duo have a fascination with larger-than-life superstars – like Lady Gaga and Elton John – and music legends such as Liza Minnelli and Dusty Springfield.
In 1986, they tracked down Springfield and asked her to sing on What Have I Done To Deserve This? At the time, she was in her late forties, broke and living in a motel.
‘There was a huge amount of hostility when we said we wanted to work with her,’ says Tennant.
‘People just didn’t think it would ever work, that it was just a very bad idea. No one even knew where she was. But she had the most wonderful voice, so we pushed it.’
They were proved right. The song went on to reach No 2 in the UK and the U.S.
‘I think we admire in others what we know we couldn’t or wouldn’t do ourselves.
‘Like Rihanna – she’s a great pop star. She’s outrageous, she looks great, she has glamour, she never stops being Rihanna. There’s a constant crazy excitement.’
Lowe adds, ‘And One Direction. Proper pop band. There has to be a band that people want to scream at. I don’t think I’ve ever behaved like a pop star.’
The duo are like a pop version of Gilbert and George. Tennant, 58, is more gossipy, more ebullient. Lowe, 53, is quieter and more reluctant. He deadpans, Tennant muses and parries.
Both middle-class boys who went to good schools (Lowe is from Lancashire, Tennant from Newcastle), neither of them expected a career in the music industry.
Since they met in 1981, they’ve never rowed. ‘I can’t think of any occasion in particular,’ says Tennant. ‘We’ve always just got along.’
In the early days, he confesses, they wrote a manifesto. ‘It was this full-page declaration about who we were that we put out with a photo and a cassette.’
Lowe coughs. ‘It was actually more a list of things we weren’t, all very negative,’ he says. ‘And it was very pretentious. We wrote something on it in Latin or Italian or something.’
‘We were both obsessed with Italy,’ continues Tennant. ‘The style, the language, the architecture. In fact, in the very beginning all we wanted was to be popular in Italy.’
He pauses. ‘The irony is, the Italians have never been interested in us. Germany, Japan, South America, Mexico… In Italy we can’t get arrested.’
They met in a hi-fi shop on the King’s Road and started writing songs together in Tennant’s flat.
When Tennant was sent – by pop magazine Smash Hits – to interview The Police in New York in 1983, he took a demo tape to producer Bobby Orlando.
The following year West End Girls was released in the U.S., becoming a club hit. It eventually reached No 1 in the UK.
The duo stood side by side on Top Of The Pops, poker-faced, not even trying to look like pop stars (on the cover of Actually, Tennant is yawning).
‘We weren’t like anyone else,’ says Lowe. ‘And yes, people thought we were just a one-hit wonder.’
Thirty years later Pet Shop Boys remain thoroughly British observers of life.
In their heads, they’re not stars – but as Lowe says, they’re ‘very happy, very lucky to keep doing what we do.
‘Once it started, neither of us had a plan B. The thing to do is don’t have a plan B and it’ll make you stick to plan A – which we did.’
‘Electric’ will be released on July 15 on their own label, x2